Reassignments of Science Personnel

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Would it not also be helpful for an updated list of vacancies and shortages? To help with choice?

Also, I know it is planned for February, but would it not be helpful to have more billet and assignment info in the welcome centre? That way people know the choices that are available. Having the ability to request assignment is great! I got my choice for example..... But people should be able to know where there are shortages and to know what their speciliaties or options are?
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Nabu, no one will be "fired" they will stay at Pathfinder. Yes PRF is a Science station mainly.

As I said this is long term project and means most new Science Officers will have to pick a station or ship that needs people.

We must give the other COs a chance to show what they can do and that means they need the people to do it.
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The Office of Personnel is working as fast as they can on getting all billets current and complete. We are also working on an accurate vacancy list. For most member show are happy where they are, this will mean nothing. It will help us place new officers/enlisted in places where there are vacancies instead of just mindlessly assigning people to random places.

Let me clarify... no one is FORCED to go anywhere. However, if the ship/station is at cap, they can choose from several other ships/stations with openings. There will ALWAYS be a choice. We are not trying to strip control from members. What we are doing is offering them more information that they've ever had before so that they can make choices that make sense for them in the long run. We hope that this will ensure members are happy in their chosen positions and we see less transfers going on because someone thought they wanted to do something but when they got there it wasn't all they were told it was supposed to be and they decide to leave for a new position.

The Branch Commanders have given me their idea of what they see as needed at a minimum. Now, as I meet with Ship/Station Commanders, I will see what they feel their needs are, and we will come to an agreement that works for everyone. This is a process that I am working on with the Commanders, and while I appreciate everyone else's opinions, I will be listening to those Commanders because they know what is best for their vision.

I am ALWAYS open for questions and concerns. Before anyone allows their panties to get in a twist, you might consider sending me an IM or message on the forums. I would be happy to explain anything you need clarity on at this point.
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Kevin Fremont wrote: Nabu, no one will be "fired" they will stay at Pathfinder. Yes PRF is a Science station mainly.

As I said this is long term project and means most new Science Officers will have to pick a station or ship that needs people.

We must give the other COs a chance to show what they can do and that means they need the people to do it.
I agree, Kevin ;)
Just wanted to clarify my point of view  ;)

Of course, I (as Dept. Chief of PRF Science) am willing to help and do what is necessary :)
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*stand on his Recruitment and Retention soapbox and turns on the mic*

OK, over the past couple of weeks I have started talking to the members, CO's and thier crews.  So far the information I have recieved is very similar.  (I am not going to go into detail on this until my full research is complete)

I decided to repspond to this forum post for one reason.

One fo the things that has come up in my research is:- Other Branches/Ships/Stations interfering in matters that do not concern thier own Branch/Ship/Station.

Now I am NOT saying that you should not post your thoughts/idea/opinions on matters however I would expect you to stand back and think, "How would I feel if someone was interfering in my Branch/Ship/Station?"

Here is my suggestion....  Don't condemn someone else's work until they have tried it.  Just because your opinion is that it won't work because I say so, doesn't mean that it won't work.

Concentrate on your own branch and get that working, leave science to deal with science, engineering to deal with engineering, personnel to deal with personnel.

I know suggestions are always welcome and I am sure the Branch Heads will agree with me, but first allow the powers that be try their procedures before you condemn them.

Change is inevitable, there are issues that need to be fixed and the Branch Head's are doing thier best to fix them, let them.

*stand down off the soapbox and waits for people to respond*
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Well said, Kermie.  :)
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I know this thread comes under science, but technically this subject can fall under any branch. Anyway...

Here's a suggestion. When an officer is interested in being assigned to a certain ship or station, maybe he/she could be put on a "waiting list" of sorts. When a position opens up, that officer would be informed that the position is available. If the officer is no longer interested, then another officer on the list would be informed instead.

True, the list could get really long, but at least they would have their name in, and have a better chance of being assigned. Patience is something that people need to learn.

When it comes to RL, I know of many companies that use this system, and it basically comes at a first come first serve basis. The sooner you put your name in, the better. I'm just throwing an idea out there and I'm not here to argue or "condemn" anyone, and I expect the same in return, thank you.
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Kermie Mistwallow wrote:
One fo the things that has come up in my research is:- Other Branches/Ships/Stations interfering in matters that do not concern thier own Branch/Ship/Station.

Now I am NOT saying that you should not post your thoughts/idea/opinions on matters however I would expect you to stand back and think, "How would I feel if someone was interfering in my Branch/Ship/Station?"

Here is my suggestion....  Don't condemn someone else's work until they have tried it.  Just because your opinion is that it won't work because I say so, doesn't mean that it won't work.



Couldnt agree more. Well said.


To quote Admiral Calhoun's words: too many fingers in the pot makes purple soup :)
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Taylorholic Durant wrote: To quote Admiral Calhoun's words: too many fingers in the pot makes purple soup :)
I don't remember anything about purple soup :P




And I also want to say, as a former Ship Captain, I wholeheartedly support this idea, and will definitely consider implementing something like this for the SFC (assuming my CO agrees with me). However, as someone else mentioned (and went unnoticed), while a blanket 5-person cap is the fairest, it is by no means the best way. Since this is about Science, i'll use an example that fits that. PRF is Pathfinder Research Facility. Research being in the name to me implies that they should have more Science Officers (though other Branches do do research, Science does the most, IMO). Compare this to a Defiant class starship, which is predominantly an Escort ~ Its designed for battle, not science. So a 5 person science cap is fine for a Defiant, but not for a Research facility.


Also in terms of Engineers. Cascadia is home of the Engineering branch. They do ship... building... stuff... there. So they should, logically, have more engineers than science officers. Also works for Athena station. We have SFC and Marine Corps there. Therefore, logically there should be more Engineers there to help with maintaining the SFC and Marine equipment, as well as repairing our ships. And on that note, more Medical officers than Science officers would be more useful, given the nature of the Station.



All i'm saying is that the idea is good, but for it to reach its fullest potential, you need to consider the purpose of each Station and Starship before you impose the personnel cap, to make sure you have a realistic number of people from your branch there. And speaking as a former ship captain again, it would be prudent to speak to the COs about it too (though i'm sure you already have or are planning to), and get their input on the numbers they would like to see. I know when i was CO of the Caracas I only wanted a few Medical officers (sorry Medical!), because there wasn't a great need for them. However i had a higher need for Tactical, Helm and Operations officers.... i'll skip the story this time. *walks away grumbling something about not talking to enough people during the day, and writing novels as forum posts as a result*
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Kermie Mistwallow wrote: One fo the things that has come up in my research is:- Other Branches/Ships/Stations interfering in matters that do not concern thier own Branch/Ship/Station.
Taylorholic Durant wrote: Couldnt agree more. Well said.
To quote Admiral Calhoun's words: too many fingers in the pot makes purple soup :)
People invited other Branches when generalized statements began to be made. I normally don't stick my head up out of my foxhole. (Pun was not intentional.)

Edit : I'm still waiting for someone to come up with a Counter-Argument to my earlier posts. (Yes I was on the Debate Team in HS.)
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And for the final time... Taps on microphone to see if anyone is actually listening.
Winter Rexen wrote: The Branch Commanders have given me their idea of what they see as needed at a minimum. Now, as I meet with Ship/Station Commanders, I will see what they feel their needs are, and we will come to an agreement that works for everyone. This is a process that I am working on with the Commanders, and while I appreciate everyone else's opinions, I will be listening to those Commanders because they know what is best for their vision.
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Wyp Luminos wrote: Edit : I'm still waiting for someone to come up with a Counter-Argument to my earlier posts. (Yes I was on the Debate Team in HS.)
Oooh Wyp's a Master Debater  ;D Watch out!!!
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I find this all to be most disturbing.
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Markus Tyrellium wrote: I find this all to be most disturbing.
Why?
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To be honest

this is something that is decided by the people involved

Meaning myself, Diemme and Winter


Its good to hear all the ideas,but the final decision will be mine
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